Vous savez ce qu'est ACORN ? Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, un organisme gauchiste qui a pour objectif de faire enregistrer des électeurs démocrates pour que ces derniers puissent voter en masse le 4 novembre prochain.
Le problème ? Cette organisation est probablement derrière une fraude électorale à grande échelle…
Réaction de Richard Hétu ?
En bon employé du parti démocrate, il n'a publié qu'un seul billet sur cette question. Dans ce billet, il affirme que les histoires relatives à ACORN sont des lubies des blogues de droite.
Pas un mot sur la ville d'Indianapolis où, grâce aux "efforts" d’ACORN, il y a 105% de la population en âge de voter qui apparaît sur les listes électorales.
Pas un mot sur le FBI qui a décidé d'ouvrir une enquête criminelle sur ACORN.
Pas un mot sur la campagne d’Obama qui a caché un don de 800 000$ à ACORN au début de l’année.
Quel est le passage où il affirme que les histoires relatives à ACORN sont des lubies des blogues de droite?
Voici donc le mysterieux ACORN, que j’entends souvent parler (et denoncer) sur Patriot radio (Siruis 144).
@Le Wannabe, si vous cliquez sur les liens qu’Hetu donne, vous trouverez reponse a votre question.
Je considère très louable qu’un organisme aide les gens à s’enregistrer pour voter, par contre je ne crois pas qu’il devrait être lié à aucun candidat.
Rien que ça, c’est louche.
Lubies de blogues drettistes? Indeed…
Ce qui est intéressant dans ton lien, Gagnon, c’est qu’il ne va pas (comme tu le fais allègrement sans preuve) jusqu’à faire de lien direct entre cette situation et ACORN.
On ajoute même « Of course, there are perfectly likely non-fraudulent reasons that could be. »
Lubies, vous dites…
Et parlant de fraude, si le FBI va enquêter sur ACORN, tu pourrais aussi parler de la firme embauchée par le GOP pour enregistrer des électeurs en Californie et qui, elle, est formellement accusée de fraude…
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/20/gop-voter-fraud/
J’avais lu un article sur le sujet il y’a longtemps, j’essaye de le retrouver..
Voici ce que je me rapelle:
Côté louable, ACORN utilise du monde en difficulté financière et les paye pour aller faire du porte-à-porte (ou personne-à-personne dans la rue) pour les enregistrer sur une liste électorale.
Le hic, c’est que certaines personnes un peu sans scrupule produisent de fausses enregistrations pour pouvoir recevoir plus d’argent pour leur « bon travail ».
La fraude, elle est là, au niveau de la rue, où l’employé d’ACORN reçoit de l’argent pour avoir fournit de faux papier.
Est-ce que ça influe le processus démocratique? Pas pantoute… Si l’employé d’ACORN enregistre un faux bulletin du nom John Smith 123 Fake Street, bin il va falloir que quelqu’un produise une pièce d’identité démontrant qu’il est bel et bien John Smith 123 Fake Street pour pouvoir voter! Même principe pour Mickey Mouse et la ligne de start-up des Dallas Cowboys.. au Nevada!
Même principe pour les bulletins répétitifs (même personne inscrite plusieurs fois). Ils sont flaggés (repérés? désolé pour l’anglicisme) et détruit automatiquement.
Pour rendre l’histoire de fraude électorale massive crédible, il faudrait qu’en plus d’avoir de faux bulletin, que quelqu’un soit en charge de produire une quantité assez incroyable de fausses pièces d’identité…
Et si tu te fais pogner à voter avec une fausse pièce d’identité, la peine est l’emprisonnement.
Selon mon point de vue, je ne vois pas de risque à la démocratie éléctorale dans cet aspect d’ACORN.
Par contre, je suis d’accord avec Dertzeil, un candidat ne devrait pas s’affilier avec un organisme qui fait du GOTV. C’est ouvrir la porte à l’autre camp pour des attaques…
(Je retourne à la recherche de l’article en question)
Si les médias n’ont pas fait une grosse histoire avec ACORN, c’est parce que pour la gauche c’est parfaitement acceptable de tricher.
Lisez le commentaire de flying_bobby qui fait tout pour excuser l’inexcusable.
Faire voter les morts, c’est de cette manière que JFK est devenu président… À cette époque on ne parlait pas de ACORN mais de la mafia.
ACORN est sous enquête pour des agissement fait dans une dizaine d'état (les états battlegroud).
Une culpabilité a déjà été reconnue dans l'état de Washington.
Obama and Acorn
Community organizers, phony voters, and your tax dollars.
At the recent Emmy Awards, historian Laura Linney averred that America's Founders had been "community organizers" — like Barack Obama. Too bad they aren't like that any more. Mr. Obama's kind of organizers work at Acorn, the militant advocacy group that is turning up in reports about voter fraud across the country.
Acorn — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — has been around since 1970 and boasts 350,000 members. We've written about them for years, but Acorn is now getting more attention as John McCain's campaign makes an issue of the fraud reports and Acorn's ties to Mr. Obama. It's about time someone exposed this shady outfit that uses government dollars to lobby for larger government.
Acorn uses various affiliated groups to agitate for "a living wage," for "affordable housing," for "tax justice" and union and environmental goals, as well as against school choice and welfare reform. It was a major contributor to the subprime meltdown by pushing lenders to make home loans on easy terms, conducting "strikes" against banks so they'd lower credit standards.
But the organization's real genius is getting American taxpayers to foot the bill. According to a 2006 report from the Employment Policies Institute (EPI), Acorn has been on the federal take since 1977. For instance, Acorn's American Institute for Social Justice claimed $240,000 in tax money between fiscal years 2002 and 2003. Its American Environmental Justice Project received 100% of its revenue from government grants in the same years. EPI estimates the Acorn Housing Corporation alone received some $16 million in federal dollars from 1997-2007. Only recently, Democrats tried and failed to stuff an "affordable housing" provision into the $700 billion bank rescue package that would have let politicians give even more to Acorn.
All this money gives Acorn the ability to pursue its other great hobby: electing liberals. Acorn is spending $16 million this year to register new Democrats and is already boasting it has put 1.3 million new voters on the rolls. The big question is how many of these registrations are real.
The Michigan Secretary of State told the press in September that Acorn had submitted "a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications." Earlier this month, Nevada's Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller requested a raid on Acorn's offices, following complaints of false names and fictional addresses (including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys). Nevada's Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said he saw rampant fraud in 2,000 to 3,000 applications Acorn submitted weekly.
Officials in Ohio are investigating voter fraud connected with Acorn, and Florida's Seminole County is withholding Acorn registrations that appear fraudulent. New Mexico, North Carolina and Missouri are looking into hundreds of dubious Acorn registrations. Wisconsin is investigating Acorn employees for, according to an election official, "making people up or registering people that were still in prison."
Then there's Lake County, Indiana, which has already found more than 2,100 bogus applications among the 5,000 Acorn dumped right before the deadline. "All the signatures looked exactly the same," said Ruthann Hoagland, of the county election board. Bridgeport, Connecticut estimates about 20% of Acorn's registrations were faulty. As of July, the city of Houston had rejected or put on hold about 40% of the 27,000 registration cards submitted by Acorn.
That's just this year. In 2004, four Acorn employees were indicted in Ohio for submitting false voter registrations. In 2005, two Colorado Acorn workers were found to have submitted false registrations. Four Acorn Missouri employees were indicted in 2006; five were found guilty in Washington state in 2007 for filling out registration forms with names from a phone book.
Which brings us to Mr. Obama, who got his start as a Chicago "community organizer" at Acorn's side. In 1992 he led voter registration efforts as the director of Project Vote, which included Acorn. This past November, he lauded Acorn's leaders for being "smack dab in the middle" of that effort. Mr. Obama also served as a lawyer for Acorn in 1995, in a case against Illinois to increase access to the polls.
During his tenure on the board of Chicago's Woods Fund, that body funneled more than $200,000 to Acorn. More recently, the Obama campaign paid $832,000 to an Acorn affiliate. The campaign initially told the Federal Election Commission this money was for "staging, sound, lighting." It later admitted the cash was to get out the vote.
The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn, claiming Mr. Obama never organized with it and has nothing to do with illegal voter registration. Yet it's disingenuous to channel cash into an operation with a history of fraud and then claim you're shocked to discover reports of fraud. As with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, Mr. Obama was happy to associate with Acorn when it suited his purposes. But now that he's on the brink of the Presidency, he wants to disavow his ties.
The Justice Department needs to treat these fraud reports as something larger than a few local violators. The question is whether Acorn is systematically subverting U.S. election law — on the taxpayer's dime.
VOTE-FRAUD-A-GO-GO
Let every vote count, is the Democratic Party's mantra these days. That slogan might better be: Let every vote count as often as we need to win.
Such, at any rate, are the tactics of ACORN, Barack Obama's favorite "community organizers," and its Project Vote – of which, the Democratic presidential candidate has boasted, "I started working as the director . . . here in Chicago."
ACORN has been implicated in voter-fraud schemes in 15 states – including Ohio, from where The Post's Jeane MacIntosh reports today that a Board of Elections investigation has unearthed evidence of widespread voter fraud.
Two voters told MacIntosh they had been dragooned by ACORN activists into registering several times – one reporting having signed up "10 to 15" times.
ACORN canvassers "would ask me if I was registered," he said. "I'd say yes and they'd ask me to do it again."
Tuesday, Nevada officials raided ACORN's Las Vegas offices as part of a probe into voter-registration fraud – noting that some forms submitted by ACORN workers included the names of Dallas Cowboys players.
Officials in Lake County, Ind. report that fully 1,100 of 2,000 new voter-registration forms delivered by ACORN were "suspicious."
In Washington state, officials recently closed an investigation into ballot cheating that resulted in prison terms.
ACORN submitted more than 800 phony registration forms in Independence, Mo., with one woman registering 10 times, using three birthdates, four different Social Security numbers and six different phone numbers.
And, as The Post reported Monday, another pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, took advantage of a quirk in that state's law, which allows people to register and vote on the same day without having to prove residency, to drive hundreds of people from homeless shelters and drug-rehab centers to the polls.
John McCain's campaign says all this "doesn't pass the smell test."
Actually, it stinks.
And it's being done by a group with which Barack Obama has proudly been associated.
What, then, would they be able to pull off with a friend in the White House?
FEC Should Start Obama Audit Now
Turns out that “Doodad Pro” and “Good Will” are not the only phony contributors to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign. The New York Times finally bestirred itself to apply some basic investigative journalism attention to the Democratic presidential nominee’s donor list. The Times found nearly 3,000 other questionable donors like “Jgtj Jfggjjfgj” and “Dirty West” after what the paper admitted was just a cursory look at the Illinois senator’s September financial filings. But then Times reporters Michael Luc and Griff Palmer revealed an incredible level of naivety by stating “it is unclear why someone making a political donation would want to enter a false name.”
Unclear? What other motive could there be for using a phony name and a nonexistent address to make multiple small donations using a single credit card than to evade U.S. election laws? Such journalistic gullibility may explain why bloggers have been on this story for months and the Times is only now noticing. The Atlas Shrugged blog first broke the story of such suspicious donors behind Obama back in July after noticing little gems like this in the Illinois senator’s official FEC filings:
Name: Hbkjb, jkbkj
City: Jkbjnj
Works for: Kuman Bank
Occupation: Balanon Jalalan
Amount: $1,077.23
In case you are wondering, there is no such thing as the Kuman Bank. It is difficult to see how the Obama campaign could have mistakenly accepted such an obviously duplicitous donation – and thousands more like it – in good faith. Yet the campaign is now claiming to be the victim of “Internet fraud.”
Then there’s the question of whether foreign nationals are contributing to the Obama campaign. There is more than enough evidence to warrant a full-scale investigation by the Federal Election Commission, including the $32,332.19 that appears to have come from two brothers living in a Hamas-controlled Palestinian refugee camp in Rafah, GA (that’s Gaza, not Georgia). The brothers’ cash is part of a flood of illegal foreign contributions accepted by the Obama campaign. Potentially at issue, according to a complaint filed last week by the Republican National Committee, is as much as half of the $427 million he’s already collected. In any case, a complete FEC audit became an even more urgent matter after MSNBC reported that Obama’s Muslim outreach director quietly met with top Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) officials in an uncharacteristically unpublicized event in Springfield, Virginia on September l5th. The FEC’s primary job is to protect the integrity of our federal election process. With this many red flags flying and barely three week left before election day, there’s no time to lose if voters are to have all the information at hand before casting their ballots.
Hennepin County investigating ACORN registrations
The Hennepin County Attorney’s office said today it is investigating whether a voter registration processing lapse at the Minnesota ACORN office falls within guidelines for criminal prosecution.
A malfunctioning scanner at ACORN’s St. Paul offices in August created a backlog that caused a batch of cards to be submitted late to the Hennepin County Elections Board.
All of the registrations were processed in time to allow voters to participate in both the primary and general elections. None was discarded for fraud or ineligibility.
Court documents reveal ACORN's troubled history
Republican officials and advisers to Sen. John McCain have accused ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) of rampant voter-registration fraud. Indeed, officials in states including Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Indiana and Connecticut now are looking into accusations that ACORN workers turned in thousands of fraudulent or duplicate voter-registration applications. (The Dallas Cowboys magically filled out voter registration forms in Nevada, for example.)
So what exactly is ACORN’s track record in registering new voters? It hasn’t always been pretty. Here are some highlights (lowlights?) from recent court documents and public testimony in three states that have examined ACORN’s hiring practices over the past two years.
Nevada 2008
On October 6, a criminal investigator with the Nevada Secretary of State filed a search-warrant affidavit stating that ACORN workers used “fictitious and false information” on voter registration applications. Among the allegations:
–ACORN hired 59 state prison inmates to collect voter-registration forms. One was Jason Anderson, who currently is imprisoned for burglary and firearms violations at the state’s Casa Grande halfway house in Las Vegas, court records show. Anderson, who became a supervisory “team leader” for ACORN, told state investigators that some of his co-workers “hired by ACORN were ‘lazy crack-heads’ who were not interested in working and just wanted the money.” Anderson is the whistleblower who told state investigators that his inmate colleagues had registered the Dallas Cowboys to vote in Nevada, along with “large numbers” of other fictitious applications.
–Another ACORN worker, Darmela Jones, said “she submitted approximately 40 Voter Registration Applications while employed at ACORN and only 10 were real applications.” Her excuse? Jones said “it was very hot outside while she was getting people to complete a form.”
–Yet another ACORN canvasser “was caught completing forms using names and addresses copied from the telephone book.”
— Investigators also identified a Nevada woman, Roberta Casteel, who had not registered to vote but whose voter-registration application was submitted to the state by ACORN. How, then, did the ACORN workers find her name, driver’s license number and Social Security number? Here’s one clue: Casteel’s purse was stolen last year, she said. Now how would state inmates living in a halfway house know about that?
Ohio 2008
Election officials in Ohio’s most populous county asked a prosecutor Monday to investigate alleged voter-registration fraud. One local man, Freddie Johnson of Cleveland, testified before the bipartisan Cuyahoga County Board of Elections that ACORN workers encouraged him to sign 73 voter registration forms—all in his own name.
“They get paid off a signature,” he said. “So they just needed a signature and told me I wasn’t going to get into trouble.”
In an interview with the Cleveland NBC station, WKYC, after the hearing, Johnson said the ACORN workers paid him a few bucks and gave him a few cigarettes in exchange for the multiple signatures. ACORN said the workers in question were fired.
Washington State 2007
The King County Prosecutor’s Office filed criminal charges last year against seven ACORN workers accused of submitting 1,762 fraudulent voter registrations to the state in 2006. The workers–many of whom had prior convictions– went to the Seattle Public Library and filled out forms “based on names, addresses and telephone numbers taken from the telephone books,” state prosecutor Daniel Satterberg said.
In addition, one of the canvassers paid $8 an hour by ACORN “said it was hard work making up all those cards,” according to a probable-cause statement by a King County Sheriff’s detective. Another ACORN worker boasted “he would often sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out cards,” the statement said.
Several of the Seattle-based ACORN workers had criminal histories prior to their employment. One had pleaded guilty to second-degree child molestation, and another had pleaded guilty to harassment for writing a bomb-threat note. Yet another had a crack-cocaine problem.
“We believe that ACORN’s internal quality control procedures were not just deficient but entirely non-existent,” Satterberg said. “This was an act of vandalism against our voter rolls.”
De Hollenton
Diaboliser la gauche sous prétexte qu’elle diabolise la droite, ce n’est pas très futé comme technique, ni très intéressant.
Woah! Ça spinne dans le coin mon Gagnon…
On prépare déjà une explication à la défaite à venir avec ce faux scandale?
Examinons la situation : ACORN aurait aidé à inscrire environ 1,3 M d’électeurs à travers les US, et selon Gagnon et tous les drettistes qui font du millage là-dessus (faut bien quand on n’a pas de bonnes nouvelles à claironner), TOUS ces électeurs seraient frauduleux!?!
Vite la police, en effet (en fait pourquoi aurait-on besoin d’enquête, il semble que c’est évident)…
C’est toi qui spin en disant que j’utilise ACORN pour excuser une éventuelle défaite de McCain. Je n’ai jamais tenu de tels propos. Encore une fois c’est toi qui mens pour essayer de te sauver la face.
Personne n’a dit que TOUS ces électeurs seraient frauduleux.
Encore une fois c’est toi qui mens pour essayer de te sauver la face.
Bref, le seul spin ici il vient de toi. Tout pour ne pas parler d’une fraude électorale d’importance directement relié à Obama.
Personne n’a été arrêté dans l’affaire ACORN.
Par contre le GOP s’est fait prendre dans une VRAIE fraude électorale…
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
Hétu défend ACORN? Simple échange de bons procédés entres escrocs…
Jack Rackam : ton histoire a été posté hier par El Kabong
La fraude électorale doit être dénoncée d’un côté comme de l’autre.
Les maneuvres douteuses d’un parti n’excusent pas celles de l’autre.
« Two wrongs dont make a right ».
Un autre gauchiste qui ne sait pas lire…
Nevada 2008
On October 6, a criminal investigator with the Nevada Secretary of State filed a search-warrant affidavit stating that ACORN workers used “fictitious and false information” on voter registration applications. Among the allegations:
–ACORN hired 59 state prison inmates to collect voter-registration forms. One was Jason Anderson, who currently is imprisoned for burglary and firearms violations at the state’s Casa Grande halfway house in Las Vegas, court records show. Anderson, who became a supervisory “team leader” for ACORN, told state investigators that some of his co-workers “hired by ACORN were ‘lazy crack-heads’ who were not interested in working and just wanted the money.” Anderson is the whistleblower who told state investigators that his inmate colleagues had registered the Dallas Cowboys to vote in Nevada, along with “large numbers” of other fictitious applications.
–Another ACORN worker, Darmela Jones, said “she submitted approximately 40 Voter Registration Applications while employed at ACORN and only 10 were real applications.” Her excuse? Jones said “it was very hot outside while she was getting people to complete a form.”
–Yet another ACORN canvasser “was caught completing forms using names and addresses copied from the telephone book.”
– Investigators also identified a Nevada woman, Roberta Casteel, who had not registered to vote but whose voter-registration application was submitted to the state by ACORN. How, then, did the ACORN workers find her name, driver’s license number and Social Security number? Here’s one clue: Casteel’s purse was stolen last year, she said. Now how would state inmates living in a halfway house know about that?
Ohio 2008
Election officials in Ohio’s most populous county asked a prosecutor Monday to investigate alleged voter-registration fraud. One local man, Freddie Johnson of Cleveland, testified before the bipartisan Cuyahoga County Board of Elections that ACORN workers encouraged him to sign 73 voter registration forms—all in his own name.
“They get paid off a signature,” he said. “So they just needed a signature and told me I wasn’t going to get into trouble.”
In an interview with the Cleveland NBC station, WKYC, after the hearing, Johnson said the ACORN workers paid him a few bucks and gave him a few cigarettes in exchange for the multiple signatures. ACORN said the workers in question were fired.
Washington State 2007
The King County Prosecutor’s Office filed criminal charges last year against seven ACORN workers accused of submitting 1,762 fraudulent voter registrations to the state in 2006. The workers–many of whom had prior convictions– went to the Seattle Public Library and filled out forms “based on names, addresses and telephone numbers taken from the telephone books,” state prosecutor Daniel Satterberg said.
In addition, one of the canvassers paid $8 an hour by ACORN “said it was hard work making up all those cards,” according to a probable-cause statement by a King County Sheriff’s detective. Another ACORN worker boasted “he would often sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out cards,” the statement said.
Several of the Seattle-based ACORN workers had criminal histories prior to their employment. One had pleaded guilty to second-degree child molestation, and another had pleaded guilty to harassment for writing a bomb-threat note. Yet another had a crack-cocaine problem.
“We believe that ACORN’s internal quality control procedures were not just deficient but entirely non-existent,” Satterberg said. “This was an act of vandalism against our voter rolls.”
Bon, finalement trouvé le foutu article…
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
Voici un autre point de vue
Je suis fasciné par la capacité de la gogauche à trouver de « nouveaux points de vue » pour excuser les fraudes électorales reliées aux démocrates…
Pour les fans d’Hétu et d’Obama qui ne savent pas lire l’anglais et qui défendent le point de vue du journaliste (j’ai comme un frisson de malaise quand j’entends ce mot maintenant…), j’aimerais vous mettre en contexte:
Un organisme touchant des fonds publics et de l’argent des Démocrates et de syndicats inscrit des gens qui n’existent pas dans la réalité sur les listes électorales.
Ça ne vous rappelle pas les manipulations illégales que l’on a connu ici au Québec pendant très longtemps ?
Pourquoi défendre ce qui semble de toute évidence être une grande fraude ?
Tenez-vous à préserver la démocratie et le droit des électeurs de choisir leurs leaders ?
Êtes-vous rendus si partisans, si aveuglés, que toute fraude faite par les Démocrates se devrait d’être tolérée ?
Si ça se passait au Québec ou au Canada, seriez-vous aussi tolérants ? Accepteriez-vous que le député de votre circonscription ou votre gouvernement soit élu par des gens obscurs qui se sont faits inscrire en triple, en quadruple, mais sous des identités différentes et fausses ?
HEILLE ! ON SE RÉVEILLE, S’IL VOUS PLAÎT !
Jamais il n’aura été si facile d’endoctriner les gens qu’aujourd’hui.
P.S.: J’ai encore une pensée pour un de mes nouveaux collègues en histoire qui s’est fait faire un t-shirt avec la face d’Obama dessus.
Je lui ai demandé de me dire ses idées, ce qu’il propose, … Néant !
Ben oui ! Tous les partis politiques du monde dans l’opposition disent ça !
@ Mathieu Demers
cc: Hollenthon
« The Justice Department devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country »
« Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. That’s the key »
« Suppose I want to swing the Missouri election for my preferred presidential candidate. I would have to figure out who the fake, dead or missing people on the registration rolls are, then pay a lot of other individuals to go to the polling place and claim to be that person, without any return guarantee – thanks to the secret ballot – that any of them will cast a vote for my preferred candidate. Those who do show up at the polls run the risk of being detected and charged with a felony. And for what – $10? Polling-place fraud, in short, makes no sense. »
Même si je rempli un bulletin bidon au nom de Mickey Mouse ou John Smith, il faut que quelqu’un PROUVE SON IDENTITÉ pour pouvoir utiliser ces fausses inscriptions.
Oui il y’a fraude. Financièrement, non pas électoralement. Mais svp arrêtez de croire que Mickey Mouse va se présenter au scrutin pour voter….
« One part of the attack, at the heart of the Justice Department scandals, involved getting U.S. attorneys in battleground states to vigorously prosecute cases of voter fraud. After exhaustive effort, Justice discovered virtually no polling-place voter fraud, and its efforts to fire U.S. attorneys who did not push the voter-fraud line enough has backfired. »
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-hasen_10edi.ART.State.Edition1.436da28.html
@ Mathieu Demers
Ceci m’aurait sauvé du trouble… Avez-vous lu l’article fournit par le lien de David? Voici ce que l’on retrouve dedans:
« A regular commenter emails to note that: “A lot of groups – including campaigns – reward workers for new registrations. There is clearly a problem in the voter registration process. BUT… that is NOT the same thing as voter fraud. There are virtually no cases of actually voter fraud – or at least no evidence of it. And it isn’t as if people have not looked for it.”
I think that’s right »
@ Hollenthon
Je n’excuse pas la fraude, je fais juste séparer registration fraud et electoral fraud.
La fraude d’ACORN n’influencera pas le scrutin final.
Court documents reveal ACORN's troubled history
Republican officials and advisers to Sen. John McCain have accused ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) of rampant voter-registration fraud. Indeed, officials in states including Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Indiana and Connecticut now are looking into accusations that ACORN workers turned in thousands of fraudulent or duplicate voter-registration applications. (The Dallas Cowboys magically filled out voter registration forms in Nevada, for example.)
So what exactly is ACORN’s track record in registering new voters? It hasn’t always been pretty. Here are some highlights (lowlights?) from recent court documents and public testimony in three states that have examined ACORN’s hiring practices over the past two years.
Nevada 2008
On October 6, a criminal investigator with the Nevada Secretary of State filed a search-warrant affidavit stating that ACORN workers used “fictitious and false information” on voter registration applications. Among the allegations:
–ACORN hired 59 state prison inmates to collect voter-registration forms. One was Jason Anderson, who currently is imprisoned for burglary and firearms violations at the state’s Casa Grande halfway house in Las Vegas, court records show. Anderson, who became a supervisory “team leader” for ACORN, told state investigators that some of his co-workers “hired by ACORN were ‘lazy crack-heads’ who were not interested in working and just wanted the money.” Anderson is the whistleblower who told state investigators that his inmate colleagues had registered the Dallas Cowboys to vote in Nevada, along with “large numbers” of other fictitious applications.
–Another ACORN worker, Darmela Jones, said “she submitted approximately 40 Voter Registration Applications while employed at ACORN and only 10 were real applications.” Her excuse? Jones said “it was very hot outside while she was getting people to complete a form.”
–Yet another ACORN canvasser “was caught completing forms using names and addresses copied from the telephone book.”
— Investigators also identified a Nevada woman, Roberta Casteel, who had not registered to vote but whose voter-registration application was submitted to the state by ACORN. How, then, did the ACORN workers find her name, driver’s license number and Social Security number? Here’s one clue: Casteel’s purse was stolen last year, she said. Now how would state inmates living in a halfway house know about that?
Ohio 2008
Election officials in Ohio’s most populous county asked a prosecutor Monday to investigate alleged voter-registration fraud. One local man, Freddie Johnson of Cleveland, testified before the bipartisan Cuyahoga County Board of Elections that ACORN workers encouraged him to sign 73 voter registration forms—all in his own name.
“They get paid off a signature,” he said. “So they just needed a signature and told me I wasn’t going to get into trouble.”
In an interview with the Cleveland NBC station, WKYC, after the hearing, Johnson said the ACORN workers paid him a few bucks and gave him a few cigarettes in exchange for the multiple signatures. ACORN said the workers in question were fired.
Washington State 2007
The King County Prosecutor’s Office filed criminal charges last year against seven ACORN workers accused of submitting 1,762 fraudulent voter registrations to the state in 2006. The workers–many of whom had prior convictions– went to the Seattle Public Library and filled out forms “based on names, addresses and telephone numbers taken from the telephone books,” state prosecutor Daniel Satterberg said.
In addition, one of the canvassers paid $8 an hour by ACORN “said it was hard work making up all those cards,” according to a probable-cause statement by a King County Sheriff’s detective. Another ACORN worker boasted “he would often sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out cards,” the statement said.
Several of the Seattle-based ACORN workers had criminal histories prior to their employment. One had pleaded guilty to second-degree child molestation, and another had pleaded guilty to harassment for writing a bomb-threat note. Yet another had a crack-cocaine problem.
“We believe that ACORN’s internal quality control procedures were not just deficient but entirely non-existent,” Satterberg said. “This was an act of vandalism against our voter rolls.”
C’est le crime qui doit être jugé, pas sa conséquence.
Autrement on se retrouve dans un système comme la NHL où les coups salauds ne sont pas punis s’il n’y a pas de blessures.
Pathétique, mais il n’est pas seul: un sondage réalisé dans plusieurs pays d’Europe a révélé que la « personne » Obama est une « marque » plus branchée que iPhone!!!!!!!!!
Remarque que ma découverte du jour est tout simplement scandaleuse: les Républicains sont pratiquement absents de la couverture de la campagne à la télévision suédoise!
http://derteilzeitberliner.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/usa-valet-pa-svt-ou-est-mccain/
@ David
Mon article parle de « voter fraud », et non pas de « registration fraud » comme tu me prouves dans ton commentaire. Désolé pour l’imprécision dans ma citation. Revoici le link pour éviter toute confusion future: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223436.php
Je ne nie pas qu’ACORN a besoin de changer ses méthodes pour enregistrer les bulletins. La majorité des employés font une bonne job, mais y’a toujours une foutu minorité qui, pensant se faire une piasse facile, foute le bordel dans tout le processus et mine atrocement la crédibilité de l’ensemble. (Sidenote, voilà pkoi je ne crois pas au libre-marché et au capitalisme pur. La minorité cupide va toujours foutre le bordel…)
Etk, mon extrait voulait simplement dire qu’aucun cas de fraude électorale ne s’est produites au cours des 5 dernières années.
PS: C’était pas nécéssaire de répéter ton commentaire 12… Je suis capable de lire du premier coup. Depuis ma 1ère année du primaire en fait… Je sais, c’est ton blogue, si tu veux répéter tes commentaires ad nauseam, c’est ton choix. C’est juste gossant un peu…
C’est de la sémantique qui a simplement pour but de vouloir légitimer une fraude.
C’est comme dire qu’un détournement de fond n’est pas un vol parce que le crime n’a pas été commis avec une arme.
Acorn Report Raises Issues of Legality
An internal report by a lawyer for the community organizing group Acorn raises questions about whether the web of relationships among its 174 affiliates may have led to violations of federal laws.
The group, formally known as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, has been in the news over accusations that it is involved in voter registration fraud, charges it says are overblown and politically motivated.
Republicans have tried to make an issue of Senator Barack Obama’s ties to the group, which he represented in a lawsuit in 1995. The Obama campaign has denied any connection with Acorn’s voter registration drives.
The June 18 report, written by Elizabeth Kingsley, a Washington lawyer, spells out her concerns about potentially improper use of charitable dollars for political purposes; money transfers among the affiliates; and potential conflicts created by employees working for multiple affiliates, among other things.
It also offers a different account of the embezzlement of almost $1 million by the brother of Acorn’s founder, Wade Rathke, than the one the organization gave in July, when word of the theft became public.
“A full analysis of potential liability will require consultation with a knowledgeable white-collar criminal attorney,” Ms. Kingsley wrote of the embezzlement, which occurred in 2000 but was not disclosed until this summer.
In a telephone interview on Monday, Ms. Kingsley and Bertha Lewis, Acorn’s top executive, said the group had begun addressing the concerns raised in the report.
“Has everything been done yet? No,” Ms. Lewis said. “We’ve been at this for three months, and we have taken everything she said in the report very seriously. It’s a huge undertaking.”
Over the weekend, Ms. Kingsley said, the national board adopted several good-governance policies, like appointing an audit committee for the first time.
Disclosure of her report, which was distributed to Acorn and 10 affiliates, increases pressure on the organization at a particularly troublesome time. Besides the inquiries into its voter registration efforts, Acorn faces demands for back taxes by the Internal Revenue Service and various state tax authorities. At the same time, foundations that have backed Acorn are withholding support.
Ms. Kingsley’s concerns about the way Acorn affiliates work together could fuel the controversy over Acorn’s voter registration efforts, which are largely underwritten by an affiliated charity, Project Vote. Project Vote hires Acorn to do voter registration work on its behalf, and the two groups say they have registered 1.3 million voters this year.
As a federally tax-exempt charity, Project Vote is subject to prohibitions on partisan political activity. But Acorn, which is a nonprofit membership corporation under Louisiana law, though subject to federal taxation, is not bound by the same restrictions.
“Project Vote and Acorn have a written agreement that specifies that all work is nonpartisan,” Michael Slater, Project Vote’s new executive director, wrote in answer to e-mailed questions about the relationship.
But Ms. Kingsley found that the tight relationship between Project Vote and Acorn made it impossible to document that Project Vote’s money had been used in a strictly nonpartisan manner. Until the embezzlement scandal broke last summer, Project Vote’s board was made up entirely of Acorn staff members and Acorn members.
Ms. Kingsley’s report raised concerns not only about a lack of documentation to demonstrate that no charitable money was used for political activities but also about which organization controlled strategic decisions.
She wrote that the same people appeared to be deciding which regions to focus on for increased voter engagement for Acorn and Project Vote. Zach Pollett, for instance, was Project Vote’s executive director and Acorn’s political director, until July, when he relinquished the former title. Mr. Pollett continues to work as a consultant for Project Vote through another Acorn affiliate.
“As a result, we may not be able to prove that 501(c)3 resources are not being directed to specific regions based on impermissible partisan considerations,” Ms. Kingsley said, referring to the section of the tax code concerning rules for charities.
She also found problems with governance of Acorn affiliates. “Board meetings are not held, or if they are, minutes are not kept, or if minutes are kept, they never make it into the files,” she wrote.
Project Vote, for example, had only one independent director since it received a federal tax exemption in 1994, and he was on the board for less than two years, its tax forms show. Since then, the board has consisted of Acorn staff members and two Acorn members who pay monthly dues.
But George Hampton, who was listed as a board member from 1994 to 2006, said that while he had been a member of Acorn, he had never heard of Project Vote. “I don’t know anything about this,” Mr. Hampton said.
Cleo Mata, listed as a board member on tax forms from 1997 to 2006, also said she was not aware she was on the Project Vote board. “If that’s what you say,” Ms. Mata told a visitor to her home in Pasadena, Tex. “I tell you that I didn’t realize I was.”
Mr. Slater said he “cannot speak to why Mr. Hampton and Ms. Mata fail to recall their involvement on the Project Vote board.” He noted that Ms. Mata, 63, was “in poor health.”
Project Vote assembled a new board this fall that Ms. Kingsley said had greater independence, even though five of the six new members have longstanding ties to Acorn.
Ms. Kingsley’s description of the embezzlement differed from the organization’s. In an interview July 8, Ms. Lewis said 90 percent of the $948,607 Mr. Rathke’s brother embezzled came from Acorn and the rest from its charity affiliates.
But Ms. Kingsley reported that $215,000 was charged to an Acorn American Express card paid by the Acorn Beneficial Association, a pension fund that has been replaced by a new Acorn pension fund. After the embezzlement was discovered, the Acorn Beneficial Association wrote off the embezzlement as a gift to Acorn.
Acorn contends that the fund is not covered by federal pension fund regulations, but Ms. Kingsley wrote: “It is nonetheless the case that a number of organizations, possibly including unions and charities, paid funds into the A.B.A. for entirely different purposes. They did not make those contributions in order to make a gift to Acorn.”
Ms. Kingsley also found that the Acorn Fund, a health care benefits fund, had advanced “a large amount of money” to Acorn, adding that it appeared that the money was used to cover “the cash shortfall caused by the embezzlement.”
@ David
Je ne légitime pas la fraude!!!!!!! Bordel vas-tu falloir que je l’écrive en Caps Lock??
C’est croche et c’est chiant ce qui se passe avec ACORN… MAIS c’est n’est pas quelque chose qui va influencer le vote en tant que tel. LÀ est la différence. Le message qui semble passer dans les médias de droite est que les activités frauduleuses d’ACORN ont le pouvoir d’influencer le résultat du vote, ce qui est faux pour les raisons que j’ai énoncé dans mes commentaires précédents.
Hein? A moins qu’il y ait quelque chose qui m’échappe, la fraude de l’enregistrement des électeurs d’ACORN va se transformer en fraude aux urnes lors de l’élection du 4 novembre 2008…Peut-être que tous les électeurs frauduleusement inscrit n’iront pas voter, mais un simple sous-ensemble pourrait changer la donne dans plusieurs états clef ou la lutte est serré…On parle de centaines de milleirs d’enregistrement frauduleux!
@Simon.Pouliot
Voir mes commentaires précédents. C’est facile de créer un faux bulletin. C’est une toute autre paire de manche pour ce qui est de se fabriquer une fausse pièce d’identité dont l’information confirme le faux bulletin pour pouvoir aller voter. Sans oublier le risque encouru par la personne qui décide de s’essayer (possibilité de peine d’emprisonnement). Et tout ça pour quoi? Un vote? Non, pour que ça vaille la peine, la fraude doit se faire sur grande échelle (j’estime +1 000 bulletins). Une équipe fabrique les faux bulletins, transmet l’info à une autre équipe qui elle fabrique les fausses pièces d’identités pour les distibuer à ces 1 000 personnes qui sont prêtes à prendre le risque d’aller voter… Et le plus amusant est que rendu au ballot, ces personnes sont encore totalement libre de leur choix!
Il y’a un TRÈS grand pas entre la fraude d’enregistrement et une fraude électorale.
Dans la situation présente, avec des bulletins portant le nom de coffee shop, personnages de Disney, équipes de football, c’est facile de voir que ce n’est pas un effort concentré dans un but commun. Juste des caves qui veulent se faire une piasse facile…
flying_bobby, je te trouves pas mal optimiste….si cette histoire n’était qu’une question d’enregistrement qui ne se transformerais pas en vote elligible, personne n’en parlerait dans la blogosphère…tout le contraire donc…
Aux USA, c’est moins strict qu’ici, du moins depuis la réforme qui a mis au rencart les gens qui venait cogner aux portes pour enregistrer les électeurs et renseigner la « liste électorale » qui serait utilisée le jour de l’élection…et il n’était pas nécessaire de s’identifier avec photo la journée du vote…Pas étonnant que plusieurs se plaignaient que des morts avaient votés 😀
Aux USA, les règles varient d’états en états mais à ma connaissance la plupart acceptent le Provisional Ballot
en cas de refus de s’identifié, comme en fait fois le réglement de la Floride :
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/gen-faq.shtml#link3
Can I still vote if I do not bring identification?
Yes. You should not be turned away from the polls because you do not bring identification. If you do not have the proper identification, you will be allowed to vote a provisional ballot.
@ Simon.Pouliot
Content de voir que tu as fait tes recherches
Je vais te demander de continuer encore un peu plus loin, surtout sur la question de « quels sont les règles pour accepter un provisional ballot ». Un vote provisoir va devoir passer un « eligibility check » avant d’être accepté.
Pennsylvania
« County election officials will examine the provisional ballots within seven (7) days after an election to determine whether the individual voting that ballot was entitled to vote at the election district in the election »
http://www.hava.state.pa.us/hava/cwp/view.asp?a=1187&q=442284&havaNav=%7C
Comment font-ils?
Ohio
1-If you cast a provisional ballot because you had – but could not provide to election officials at the time you voted – acceptable proof of your identity or the last four digits of your Social Security number, you must provide to the board of elections one of the following:
-Acceptable proof of your identity in the form of a current and valid photo identification;
-A military identification;
-A copy of a current (within the last 12 months) utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document (but not a voter registration notification mailed by a board of elections) that shows your name and current address (including from a public college or university); or
-The last four digits of your Social Security number.
2-If you cast a provisional ballot because, at the time you voted, you had – but declined to provide – an acceptable form of identification or the last four digits of your Social Security number, and you declined to execute the written affirmation statement swearing to your identity under penalty of election falsification, you must provide to the board of elections one of the following:
-Acceptable proof of your identity in the form of a current and valid photo identification;
-A military identification;
-A copy of a current (within the last 12 months) utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document (but not a voter registration notification mailed by a board of elections) that shows your name and current address (including from a public college or university); or
-The last four digits of your Social Security number.
3-If you cast a provisional ballot because, at the time you voted, you did not have any acceptable form of identification or a Social Security number, and you declined to execute the written affirmation statement swearing to your identity under penalty of election falsification, you must provide to the board of elections one of the following:
Acceptable proof of your identity in the form of a current and valid photo identification;
-A military identification;
-A copy of a current (within the last 12 months) utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document (but not a voter registration notification mailed by a board of elections) that shows your name and current address (including from a public college or university);
-The last four digits of your Social Security number; or
-A signed affirmation statement (provided by the board of elections) stating that you do not have any of the above items.
If you cast a provisional ballot because your right to vote was challenged at the polling place under R.C. 3505.20, and the election officials either determined that you were ineligible to vote or were unable to determine your eligibility, you must provide any identification or other documentation required to resolve the challenge
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/Text.aspx?page=4145&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
D’une façon ou d’une autre, tu vas devoir prouver qui tu es. C’est un fondement essentiel du droit de vote
Flying_bobby…comme je disais ça varie selon les états et peut-être qu’en Ohio les règlements sont des plus sévères…mais si tu regardes celui de la Floride, que j’ai donné plus haut, au point 4 (Voting – What else do I have to do if I vote a provisional ballot?) C’est beaucoup plus facile de s’en tirer sans fournir de preuves…et même en Ohio, il est peut-être facile pour des pros comme ACORN de connaître toutes les meilleures façons de le contourner…par exemple le point 3, il suffit de dire au moment de voter que tu n’as pas de papier ni de SSN, ( genre… je suis un robineux 😀 ) et il suffit de signer par la suite un papier pré-rempli par le board of elections : Moi, Sasquatch Desbois, affirme ne pas avoir de papier d’identification… 😆
@ Simon
Je suis d’accord sur le point 3, ça me chicote un peu de voir que tu peux juster signer un papier disant que tu ne possèdes pas de documents officiels… J’espère qu’il y’a un autre mécanisme de vérification ailleur. Anyway…
J’ai été voir ton point 4 dans la Floride et je vais rajouter ce bémol: If you vote a provisional ballot for other reasons (for example, your eligibility is challenged by another person, you are in the wrong precinct when you vote, you do not appear on the precinct register, etc.), you will be provided written notice of your right to present evidence of your eligibility
Si quelqu’un s’essaye avec un faux bulletin d’enregistrement pour voter, je présume que son faux nom ne figurera pas sur le « precinct register », et donc il devra fournir pièce d’identité.
Mais bon, tout cela pour dire que, selon moi, il y’a une grosse étape à franchir entre fraude d’enregistrement et fraude électoral. Aucun cas de fraude électorale ne fut décelé durant les 5 dernières années, ça doit pas être si évident que ça…
ACORN n’est pas une organisation de fraude électorale systématique quand même… Dire que se sont des pros de la magouille, c’est à ton tour d’être un peu trop pessimiste à mon goût.
PS: Sasquatch Desbois :D:D Ivanna Humpalot tant qu’a y être? 😀
@ flying_bobby
L’Ohio a passé une loi qui permet de voter sans s’identifier.
C’est une pratique assez courante dans certains états.
Une porte ouverte à la fraude.
De plus, je ne trouve pas que dire « les électeurs démocrates votent en masse par anticipation »… Eille, ça n’a pas d’affaire à être connu publiquement. Checkez ben ça, on va dire qu’il y a eu fraude si c’est pas Obama à cause de ces histoires de early voting.